Kate, you'll have to forgive me if I am usurping your authority here, but I needed more space for question #10! Especially the end.
I really liked the book, again aside from the conversations I couldn't ever dream (or want to dream) of keeping up with, and also aside from the perverseness of it. It was so unique, and like Karissa, I am intrigued by the thought experiment idea. I feel like it's one of those things just out of the reach of my mind. With exercising my mind maybe I would come to understand it.
My biggest question that I had while reading this book is what you all think your Tropospheres would look like? If you were to enter another person's mind, what would the doorway look like? Ariel thought men, in general, were sex shops. And her streets, in general again, were dingy, and rundown. It was always night. But we know that Lumas' Troposphere was little hamlet with cottages.
So how about you? I've come to realize that it's a bit of a hard question to answer. I think we have to look at ourselves and see how we see the world. Can I look at myself and see only what I hope I would see or what I would actually see.
Here's what I've come up with: I think my street would be older. Like early 1900s with ancient old trees standing guard over the cobblestoned boulevard. There would be flowers and lush grass on the divider and the sun would just be rising (or setting) directly down the center of the street.
Karissa, your mind would be set a bit back from the street. A huge lawn with wild flowers in your garden and a mishmash of a vegetable garden. And it would be a quaint home. Two stories, but almost like a farm house with a big wrap around porch.
Kate, your mind would be a flat in some mega-metropolitan city. But more like New York thank London, sorry : ) It would be right on the street and made of old stone. It fits in well on my street. When I look in the windows I see a very modernly, if not hodge-podged (and I mean that very well), decorated home.
Meagan, your mind would be a house on a cliff on the ocean. Not large like you see so often in the movies, but perfectly sized. You have windows everywhere. The lights are always on and the shades are never drawn. It's open and airy and the light shines all the way through it.
Suz, your mind would be a Parisian apartment. I would walk up the steps of a beautiful, old building and take the winding staircase up to your ornately carved French doors. You overlook all the beauty of Paris and the light makes the rooms sparkle through the beveled glass.
Katy, your mind would be a house COVERED in roses. Aside from the windows, roses wind themselves up the sides of a simple, ranch home. They are mostly red, but spots of white, pink and yellow burst through in places. And there is an immaculate, huge vegetable garden in the backyard. OH! And there is a chimney with smoke rising out of it.
OH! And for kicks, I think my mind would barely be visible from the road, lilacs and tulips would always be in bloom and tomatoes would always be ripe. The house itself is and old colonial with red brick and there are flowers spilling from boxes on every window. There are huge trees dotting the meadow it sits in the midst of and there is the perfect climbing tree with a perfect little perch looking out over the rest of my street : )
So yeah, that what I thought about a lot while I was waiting to fall asleep after reading the book for the night. And when I finished the book completely...
I didn't know what to think. I was confused for a good few days. The only thing I could think of was that as Adam and Ariel came to the edge of the Troposphere they came to Eden. But I so didn't, and still DO NOT, understand her last sentence.
"And then I understand."
It almost ruined the book for me, but I decided to let it go and not understand it. But I want to understand it... Any thoughts from you all?
Ummm... I think that's all I've got right now. Besides one other small tidbit: Did you all read the title as "The End of Mr. Why" or "The End of Mystery". A friend from work pointed out that if it the Mr. was Spanish or Latino, it would be pronounced mystery. Interesting thought to ponder since if Ariel and Adam live for eternity in the Troposphere then eventually there would be an end to mystery. Hmmmm...
Thursday, March 26, 2009
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I have to hugely apologize because I have not had time to crack a book the last couple of months...but I just had to comment on Gretch's post. I love your descriptions of what our minds would look like. I also found it interesting that they were all descriptions of our homes. Again, I'm sorry since I haven't read the book, is this how they are? I question, just because sex shops are obviously not homes and I'm assuming capture nature in which boys think about sex all the time. It does make sense to be homes, though, because that's where our personal retreat is and our biggest opportunity to assert our style and personal preferences.
ReplyDeleteGretch, your description is perfect! I can see you smack dab in the middle of that street with a beautiful big dress and ringlets in your hair with a parasol =)
All of them are so perfect, I can see all of you in those scenes! and I want to come visit every one of them! Can I have calla lillies everywhere in my Parisian apartment?
Sorry this is such a ramble, especially since I have no context for posting. This just made me smile. I love you girls!
Gretch - I love your idea of what would your troposphere look like. It's one thing that I didn't really think about when reading the book but now that you have brought it up, I want to go back and re-read the book to see what I can imagine for myself and all of you.
ReplyDeleteThe ending - I don't get it but I found it strangely comforting that Ariel all of a sudden understood everything but I was left screaming at it going what the heck?!? Eden? Interesting idea especially with his name being Adam.
Personally I felt like I was on a literary LSD kick while I was reading the book with all the trips in and out and all around.
And why is Ariel's troposphere so chaotic? Is it because she is so lost and confused and needs the other world to figure herself out?
GG - I absolutely love your description of your troposphere! so wonderful, and so YOU. I didn't even think of contemplating what mine would look like... I'll have to think about that for a while.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I did want to mention that I definitely got the Eden connection at the end of the book. Maybe because Peter (our pastor) is preaching in Genesis right now (and going way deeper than I ever imagined possible...)? And the 2nd to last sentence: "And there's one tree, standing by the river, and we walk towards it." That sentence made me think of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They walk towards the tree, and then she finally understands.... hmm. Interesting.
I am not sure what I made of the book, completely, but I love that I read something that I likely wouldn't pick out on my own. bravo, Kate! I'm going to post more later, but I have to get ready for church now.
love you guys -
Karissa
Hi girls. Maybe it was a superficial read but I thought exactly what Karissa did when I reached the end. In Ariel’s pursuit of knowledge and her insatiable desire to continue to seek knowledge, she stayed in the Troposphere. She says on page 500 of my book, “But I want the knowledge I can find in here. I want us to go to the very end of this together. I want us to go back as far as we can go…” So she keeps moving backwards in time until reaching as far back as she could, Eden, “the most perfect garden that she has ever seen”. Adam is conveniently present and they stand among trees of infinite number and choice.
ReplyDeleteAriel says, “I think that this makes sense, for consciousness to have begun in a garden, because consciousness evolved from plants, after all. And I look at Adam but I can’t speak anymore. I’m not sure I can even think.” I feel like Thomas is indicating here that they have moved as far ‘back in time’ as possible, to their moment of creation. Ariel and Adam head for the tree that stands out by the river and ‘she understands’. Thomas’ way of saying she chooses the forbidden fruit, the path of knowledge? And therefore begins the process of time/human race…making the full paradoxical circuit where she goes back to do something that has in fact already been done, by her. Thought experiment anyone?
I think Thomas also adds to this “beginning of time” idea when she describes Adam and Ariel’s sexual encounters. Did anyone notice how much ‘weight’ Thomas gave their union in her prose compared with previous Patrick encounters? One phrase from page 467, “it’s as if I’m being turned inside out, and the whole world is penetrating me; and that means I contain everything.” Thomas alludes to this great uniting of their spirits and Ariel describes it as two becoming one, an all encompassing union and merging of being and mind with tornadoes, millions of volts, and blacking out...some more Genesis metaphor anyone? Perhaps this is Thomas describing Adam and Eve’s first union since Ariel and Adam are moving ‘backward’ in time in the Troposphere and their union(s) in the book comes before the two receive ‘the gift of knowledge’? (When I try to get my mind around this, I feel like a cartoon character letting his face go limp, shaking his head violently back and forth and going “Aye, Aye, Aye…” cheeks flapping away) But can you understand what I am trying to say?
Or perhaps this is even a reference to Eve’s being created from Adam, since in the book, Adam is the one who sacrificed (ribs anyone?) to be with Ariel in the Troposphere? All biblical reference aside though, I was happy to see this transformation of Ariel’s sexual encounters. Perhaps she finally realized how damaging her affairs were and how rewarding they could be when she was with someone she truly cared about?
During my first read/think through process, I really thought Thomas was taking an atheistic stance in creating mouse gods and in how her main character tossed ‘religion’ aside but now that I sit here and ponder/type this out I have to wonder if she isn’t trying to say something about religion by using all these allusions…although that doesn’t really jive with ‘consciousness evolving from plants’ does it? And I don’t really know what she is trying to say, if she is trying to say something…anyone?
Another quote in these final few pages doesn’t quite settle with me. Ariel says, “I want to know how it all started, and what consciousness is.” I think she finds ‘where it all began’ but does she find what consciousness is? What does Thomas want us to think consciousness is?
Which is maybe a good way for me to connect into Gretch’s ideas about what our mind entrances would look like. I loved reading them…very cute and fun idea. I saw all of you girls in what she described, although, as usual, it was hardest to see myself. Which makes me think- when you are in the Troposphere, would you see others’ minds’ entrances for what they truly are? Or do you see what that person would want you to see (the façade only) and therefore, would we get to choose things like calla lilies and being back off the street? I am smiling because in this circle of friends I don’t think there is much difference between the two. I think you girls know what my mind looks like no matter how many pretty roses I might try put outside to fancy up the entrance.
And about that title…I like your remake Gretch of the letter, “Why?” Could you explain more about what your friend meant about the Spanish pronunciation? I felt confused...I liked the idea of end of mystery though (since Ariel did ‘finally understand’). This idea aside, I am not sure how the title relates to the story other than Ariel’s seeking of knowledge, always asking why. But why “Mr.” then?
Finally, if anyone is interested, I would really like to know what you all would do hypothetically, if you found such a book and if things like the Troposphere existed and were possible. Would you enter? That is what kept my mind busy when I was lying in bed trying to fall asleep after reading. Would I really want to know?
I do know I love this discussion though...
I'm going to try and answer Katy's last question. If I found such a book, and I totally loved it, I would definitely read it at the very least. I have finished every book I have ever started, even the ones I hate, and I don't think I could have just put The End Of My Y down. Like Ariel I would fine those freakin' pages!
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure I would enter the Troposphere, mostly because of the weird potion thing. My inate fear of drugs and them messing with mind would probably prevent from making the mixture so I could get into the Troposhere.
If there was another way in, I would be intrigued mostly because of my desperate need for answers to uncertainty. That being said, I think God wants me to be uncertain about life things so I will follow him and if I knew everything that was going on, why would I need God? Sometimes I think it would be great to know my future, to have all the answers but then I think life would be boring.
I guess my answer would be no just because I think it is better for me not to know.